RW should be better than both full mage and Gish (it's kind of borderline currently). Full mage should be a better caster than Gish.
(and btw: I almost rebuilt my 10 RW into 10 EK just to prove the balance point that 10EK + set > 10 rw with misc stuff, but I decided it was best to jest let it go and gave the stuff away...but it's certainly the less feat-intensive to go this path ultimately.)
Cataca wrote:I wrote at length about it in the last few posts of viewtopic.php?f=49&t=3215&p=26101#p26101
A quick summary: Tenser takes your HD, subtracts it by your BaB and gives you the difference in magic AB, this means that a low bab build gets much more out of the spell than a high BaB build like gishes, which are usually at ~27 bab @30.
So, tenser does make low bab builds death machines, if they couple it with a scroll of divine power. And it gives gishes 3 AB (at 30, at most 8 ab at 40) and takes their casting away.
And let me reiterate my personal opinion: What is the point of making a hybrid build, if all you do is hit things. You could have made a pure fighter and be better at it. Its fairly easy to get sufficient elemental resistance across the board and have all the immunities you need, the strongest AB buff arcane side buffs give you can be gotten with a bottle of g.heroism/is on a million items (haste).
I understand where you're coming from, but earlier you were making it sound as though an extra 3 AB from haste wouldn't balance out the overall AB issue. If a gish's BAB really is only 3-8 short of cap, then getting an extra 3 AB from a spell you're most likely persisting on yourself anyway seems as though it's a pretty fair trade (rather than netting it through tenser's).
If you're 8 BAB short of the cap, then 8 AB (+ another 3 from the haste) is a pretty fair trade for not being able to cast for a little while. I understand it's a bit inconvenient, but what it sounds like you actively want is a spell blade style caster, who is able to cast with one hand, with mostly full effectiveness, while wielding a sword in the other hand, once again with mostly full effectiveness.
.Looking at it reasonably, you should either be 100% caster, 100% fighter, or some amalgamation between the 2. From what I've interpreted from your statements, you feel as though an arcane gish should be about 85% caster and 100% fighter at the same time, which is fairly unreasonable, and would pretty much remove the need to ever bother with a regular melee class at all
While I may be misinterpreting what you're saying, it's just how it sounds to me. I personally enjoy the idea of playing a full caster who uses tenser's when things get dicey in order to be able to hulk smash things to the ground, but I disagree with the idea of being able to be as effective as any other caster WHILE also being as effective as any fighter...
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